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The XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF) will hold its 24th XMPP Summit in the two days preceding [[FOSDEM 2020]], January 30th & 31st.
The XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF) will hold its 24th XMPP Summit in the two days preceding [[FOSDEM 2020]], January 30th & 31st.
To participate in this (or any future summit), please join the [http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/summit summit@xmpp.org discussion list] and ask for an account in this Wiki, so you can add yourself (and/or colleagues) to the list in this page.
To participate in this (or any future summit), please join the [http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/summit summit@xmpp.org discussion list] and ask for an account in this Wiki, so you can add yourself (and/or colleagues) to the list in this page.


= Logistics =
== Minutes ==
 
* [[Conferences/Summit_24/Minutes_Day1|Day1]]
* [[Conferences/Summit_24/Minutes_Day2|Day2]]
 
== Venue ==
Please note that the venue is not publicly accessible! You will need to announce your participation beforehand, to allow us to arrange for your access to the building!


Cisco System Belgium<br/>
Pegasus Park<br/>
De Kleetlaan, 6A<br/>
1831 Diegem<br/>
Belgium


Direct trains to Diegem run from both Brussel-Centraal (2-3 trains/hour) and Schuman (1 train/hour).  Both routes should take between 15 and 20 minutes. According to Google, it's a 6 minute walk from the station to Cisco Systems Belgium.  Schuman is the station closest to the Thon Hotel EU.


== Venue ==
For more routing options, check [https://www.google.nl/maps/dir/Thon+Hotel+EU,+Rue+de+la+Loi,+Brussels,+Belgium/Cisco+Systems+Belgium,+De+Kleetlaan+6,+1831+Machelen,+Belgium/@50.8537565,4.3330209,12z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m17!4m16!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3c49c37b30e03:0xdebc81df66e22e7c!2m2!1d4.3753209!2d50.8439717!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3dd1d9cdc9b55:0xe0fcb2d0debf6818!2m2!1d4.448772!2d50.886721!2m2!6e4!8j1517471612!3e3?hl=en Google Maps]
TBA


== Date ==
== Date ==
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* ''Your topic here - add your name please!''
* ''Your topic here - add your name please!''
* In-client, unified, public MUC search (not disco) - Nÿco
** I need a search engine in my clients/apps, for public MUCs across the whole open/public/federated network
** Like search.jabber.network, but NOT on the web, rather in XMPP apps/clients - also like https://index.xabber.com/
* MAM search  - Nÿco
** I need to search ALL my old messages and conversations, whether one-to-one or MUC
** I believe this is what is addressed in https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fulltext.html
** Note: see how Matrix does a client-side feature, with distributed aspects
** Bonus: if that could work with encryption...
* Opt-in server metrics report - Nÿco
** All public and federated servers should report some stats/metrics/analytics
** Users counts and number of servers is a start, maybe more data is useful, like messages counts
** It has to be opt-out but let the debate happen
** Like https://the-federation.info/
* Basic C2S feature over REST-like API (HTTP/JSON) - Nÿco
** Some XMPP features can be made available over REST-like APIs
** QuickBlox, Tigase, MongooseIM do this, developers appreciate that
* User-friendly OMEMO key management - Nÿco
** Yes, I've changed my client/app/device, so what?
** Yes, I've added a new client/app/device, so what?
** Wait, what are... keys? How should I do with them?
** Oh no, again, another something is encrypted and I can't decrypt it
** Why can't I read/decrypt this old message?
* Multiclient presenceless MUC - Nÿco
** When I join a channel, I'm in, period. Whatever the connectivity, whatever the client
** And I'll stay until I explicitly and manually and consciously leave
** MUC light, MUC/sub, Xabber's approach seem all good, more or less
** Even something close to bouncers like IRC could fit
** MIX is overkill, several years long process, with no serious implementation so far
** It has just to happen yesterday, we are late
* Easy passwordless device enrolment/account recovery - MattJ
== Lightning talks ==
* Simple UX for the developers - Nÿco
** Simple mindset and techniques to improve the state of your software
* CommTeam: Newsletter, Twitter, Mastodon, LinkedIn (Facebook, Instagram) - Nÿco
** Process transparency and documentation, some metrics


= Summit Participants =
= Summit Participants =
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| der Kinderen
| der Kinderen
| Guus
| Guus
|
| Wednesday - Sunday
|  
| yes, Thon
|
|
|-
|-
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| Gultsch
| Gultsch
| iNPUTmice
| iNPUTmice
| Wednesday - Sunday
| Wednesday - Sunday morning
|  
| yes
|  
| Staying @ NH Brussels EU Berlaymont (short walk from & slightly cheaper than Thon)
|-
|-
|
|
|
|
| [[User:Pep.|Pep.]]
| [[User:Pep.|Pep.]]
| Wednesday - Sunday/Monday
| Thursday - Sunday
|
|
|
|
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| vanitasvitae
| vanitasvitae
| Wednesday/Thursday - Sunday
| Wednesday/Thursday - Sunday
|
|
|-
| Fabian
| Sauter
| [[User:COM8|COM8]]
| Wednesday - ?
|
|
|
|
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| [[User:holger|Holger]]
| [[User:holger|Holger]]
| Thursday - Sunday
| Thursday - Sunday
|
| yes
|
| Staying @ Leopold Hotel
|-
|-
| Alexander
| Alexander
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| [[User:alex|Alex]]
| [[User:alex|Alex]]
| Wednesday - Sunday
| Wednesday - Sunday
|
| yes
|
| Will stay at Thon
|-
| Dave
| Cridland
| [[User:dwd|dwd]]
| Wednesday - Sunday
| yes
| Thon
|-
|-
| Edwin
| Edwin
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| [[User:intosi|intosi]]
| [[User:intosi|intosi]]
| Wednesday - Sunday
| Wednesday - Sunday
| yes
| Thon
|-
| Yvo
|
| [[User:eevvoor|Eevvoor]]
| cannot come :(
| cancelled
|
|-
| Tim
| Henkes
| Syndace
| Wednesday - Sunday morning
|
|
|-
| Winfried
| Tilanus
| winfried
| Thursday - Sunday
|
|
|-
| Marvin
| Wissfeld
| [[User:Larma|larma]]
| Thursday - Sunday
| yes
| Staying @ Adagio Access Brussels Europe
|-
| Andrzej
| Wójcik
| hantu.sc
| Wednesday - Monday
| yes
| @Thon
|-
| Kevin
| Smith
| Kev
| Wed-Fri
| Thon, private
| Leaving Friday afternoon
|-
| Matthew
| Wild
| MattJ
| Wed-Mon
| Thon
|
|-
| Nicolas
| Vérité
| Nÿco
| Wed-Sun
| yes
| Thon City Centre, from Thu night to Sun afternoon
|-
| Natalie
| Wirth
|
|
| Thu-Sun
| yes
|
|
|-
|-
| Yvo
| Emmanuel Gil
| Meeres
| Peyrot
| [[User:eevvoor|Eevvoor]]
| Link Mauve
| Trying all days
| Thu-Sun
| not yet
|
|
|}
|}
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The following people plan to participate remotely some or all of the time:
The following people plan to participate remotely some or all of the time:


* ''Your name here''
* [[User:jwi|Jonas Schäfer]] (Thursday only)
* [[User:Zash|Kim Alvefur]]
* [[User:Goffi|Jérôme Poisson]]


== A/V ==
== A/V ==


TBA
A web conference is available at https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?MTID=mf162fe829fc72dcfc4e48be0c8572664
 
Please note that this conference will only be accessible after a 'host' has joined from the physical meeting room itself.


= XSF Dinner =
= XSF Dinner =
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As usual, the XSF will hold a dinner for XSF participants in conjunction with the Summit. XSF members attend for free.
As usual, the XSF will hold a dinner for XSF participants in conjunction with the Summit. XSF members attend for free.


The XSF dinner will likely take place on Thursday evening, at L’Auberge Bretonne (Brusselsesteenweg 670, 3090 OVERIJSE)
The XSF dinner will take place on Thursday evening, at L’Auberge Bretonne (Brusselsesteenweg 670, 3090 OVERIJSE)


We'll arrange for taxis to bring you from the Thon EU hotel to the restaurant, and back.
We'll arrange for taxis to bring you from the Thon EU hotel to the restaurant, and back.


Details TBA
Further details: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2020-January/001926.html


= Sponsors =
= Sponsors =
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Before lunch on the Friday we'll have a chance for people to give a 5 minute presentation of any interesting XMPP things they're working on. If you'd like to take a slot, please put your name and topic in the list below:
Before lunch on the Friday we'll have a chance for people to give a 5 minute presentation of any interesting XMPP things they're working on. If you'd like to take a slot, please put your name and topic in the list below:


* You: Your topic
* Alex: Palaver XMPP client
 


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Latest revision as of 19:23, 19 February 2020


The XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF) will hold its 24th XMPP Summit in the two days preceding FOSDEM 2020, January 30th & 31st. To participate in this (or any future summit), please join the summit@xmpp.org discussion list and ask for an account in this Wiki, so you can add yourself (and/or colleagues) to the list in this page.

Minutes

Venue

Please note that the venue is not publicly accessible! You will need to announce your participation beforehand, to allow us to arrange for your access to the building!

Cisco System Belgium
Pegasus Park
De Kleetlaan, 6A
1831 Diegem
Belgium

Direct trains to Diegem run from both Brussel-Centraal (2-3 trains/hour) and Schuman (1 train/hour). Both routes should take between 15 and 20 minutes. According to Google, it's a 6 minute walk from the station to Cisco Systems Belgium. Schuman is the station closest to the Thon Hotel EU.

For more routing options, check Google Maps

Date

  • Thu 30th Jan
  • Fri 31st Jan


Agenda

Possible topics (please augment as desired):

  • Your topic here - add your name please!
  • In-client, unified, public MUC search (not disco) - Nÿco
    • I need a search engine in my clients/apps, for public MUCs across the whole open/public/federated network
    • Like search.jabber.network, but NOT on the web, rather in XMPP apps/clients - also like https://index.xabber.com/
  • MAM search - Nÿco
    • I need to search ALL my old messages and conversations, whether one-to-one or MUC
    • I believe this is what is addressed in https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fulltext.html
    • Note: see how Matrix does a client-side feature, with distributed aspects
    • Bonus: if that could work with encryption...
  • Opt-in server metrics report - Nÿco
    • All public and federated servers should report some stats/metrics/analytics
    • Users counts and number of servers is a start, maybe more data is useful, like messages counts
    • It has to be opt-out but let the debate happen
    • Like https://the-federation.info/
  • Basic C2S feature over REST-like API (HTTP/JSON) - Nÿco
    • Some XMPP features can be made available over REST-like APIs
    • QuickBlox, Tigase, MongooseIM do this, developers appreciate that
  • User-friendly OMEMO key management - Nÿco
    • Yes, I've changed my client/app/device, so what?
    • Yes, I've added a new client/app/device, so what?
    • Wait, what are... keys? How should I do with them?
    • Oh no, again, another something is encrypted and I can't decrypt it
    • Why can't I read/decrypt this old message?
  • Multiclient presenceless MUC - Nÿco
    • When I join a channel, I'm in, period. Whatever the connectivity, whatever the client
    • And I'll stay until I explicitly and manually and consciously leave
    • MUC light, MUC/sub, Xabber's approach seem all good, more or less
    • Even something close to bouncers like IRC could fit
    • MIX is overkill, several years long process, with no serious implementation so far
    • It has just to happen yesterday, we are late
  • Easy passwordless device enrolment/account recovery - MattJ

Lightning talks

  • Simple UX for the developers - Nÿco
    • Simple mindset and techniques to improve the state of your software
  • CommTeam: Newsletter, Twitter, Mastodon, LinkedIn (Facebook, Instagram) - Nÿco
    • Process transparency and documentation, some metrics

Summit Participants

The following people plan to be there in person.

Given name Family name Nickname Hotel check in - out booked? comments
Ralph Meijer ralphm Wednesday - Sunday
Guus der Kinderen Guus Wednesday - Sunday yes, Thon
Daniel Gultsch iNPUTmice Wednesday - Sunday morning yes Staying @ NH Brussels EU Berlaymont (short walk from & slightly cheaper than Thon)
Pep. Thursday - Sunday
Paul Schaub vanitasvitae Wednesday/Thursday - Sunday
Holger Weiß Holger Thursday - Sunday yes Staying @ Leopold Hotel
Alexander Gnauck Alex Wednesday - Sunday yes Will stay at Thon
Dave Cridland dwd Wednesday - Sunday yes Thon
Edwin Mons intosi Wednesday - Sunday yes Thon
Yvo Eevvoor cannot come :( cancelled
Tim Henkes Syndace Wednesday - Sunday morning
Winfried Tilanus winfried Thursday - Sunday
Marvin Wissfeld larma Thursday - Sunday yes Staying @ Adagio Access Brussels Europe
Andrzej Wójcik hantu.sc Wednesday - Monday yes @Thon
Kevin Smith Kev Wed-Fri Thon, private Leaving Friday afternoon
Matthew Wild MattJ Wed-Mon Thon
Nicolas Vérité Nÿco Wed-Sun yes Thon City Centre, from Thu night to Sun afternoon
Natalie Wirth Thu-Sun yes
Emmanuel Gil Peyrot Link Mauve Thu-Sun not yet

Hotel Booking

As usual, the XSF is arranging a hotel group reservation for the upcoming XSF summit and FOSDEM event.

Details TBA.

Remote Participation

We will use the summit@muc.xmpp.org chatroom for coordination.

The following people plan to participate remotely some or all of the time:

A/V

A web conference is available at https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?MTID=mf162fe829fc72dcfc4e48be0c8572664

Please note that this conference will only be accessible after a 'host' has joined from the physical meeting room itself.

XSF Dinner

As usual, the XSF will hold a dinner for XSF participants in conjunction with the Summit. XSF members attend for free.

The XSF dinner will take place on Thursday evening, at L’Auberge Bretonne (Brusselsesteenweg 670, 3090 OVERIJSE)

We'll arrange for taxis to bring you from the Thon EU hotel to the restaurant, and back.

Further details: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2020-January/001926.html

Sponsors

The following organizations and individuals stepped up for sponsoring:

  • Your name here

To sponsor the XSF dinner, summit lunches, materials, or other things, please contact any member of the XSF Board! No donation too small (or too large)!

Show-and-tell

Before lunch on the Friday we'll have a chance for people to give a 5 minute presentation of any interesting XMPP things they're working on. If you'd like to take a slot, please put your name and topic in the list below:

  • Alex: Palaver XMPP client


SCAM metadata
Event on wiki main page (under 'upcoming events')? No
Announced on mailing list? No
Event on XSF Shared Calendar? No
Twitter announcement None yet
Blogpost announcement None yet
Blogpost wrapup None yet
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