Difference between revisions of "Board-Meeting-2023-02-16"
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board members: Matthew, Peter, Ralph | board members: Matthew, Peter, Ralph | ||
regrets: Edward | regrets: Edward | ||
other folks: Daniel Gultsch | other folks: Daniel Gultsch | ||
(Ralph summarizes) | (Ralph summarizes)... | ||
follow up on FOSDEM conversations (e.g., with Stuart) | - follow up on FOSDEM conversations (e.g., with Stuart) | ||
opportunity to play a role on interoperability | - opportunity to play a role on interoperability | ||
EU legislation on the way | - EU legislation on the way | ||
we haven't been at the table to participate in these discussions | - we haven't been at the table to participate in these discussions | ||
upcoming interoperability workshop in Brussels | - upcoming interoperability workshop in Brussels | ||
https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/dma/dma-workshops/interoperability-workshop_en | - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/dma/dma-workshops/interoperability-workshop_en | ||
https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-02/20230227_dma_interoperability_workshop_agenda.pdf | - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-02/20230227_dma_interoperability_workshop_agenda.pdf | ||
Ralph will attend (only one representative per organization) | - Ralph will attend (only one representative per organization) | ||
it should be relatively easy for us to raise funds to work on this | - it should be relatively easy for us to raise funds to work on this | ||
if we formulate a good plan | - if we formulate a good plan | ||
might be a challenge if that money flows through the XSF | - might be a challenge if that money flows through the XSF | ||
best could be if XSF functions as a fiscal host | - best could be if XSF functions as a fiscal host | ||
Matthew: | Matthew: | ||
we need to figure out what we want to achieve | - we need to figure out what we want to achieve | ||
this first workshop could be a good way to test the waters | - this first workshop could be a good way to test the waters | ||
agree that we don't want to become a large organization with much money | - agree that we don't want to become a large organization with much money | ||
the fiscal hosting could be a good framework | - the fiscal hosting could be a good framework | ||
Peter: | Peter: | ||
yes, putting together a plan is the first step | - yes, putting together a plan is the first step | ||
let's figure out the opportunities and what resources are needed | - let's figure out the opportunities and what resources are needed (also the timeframe) | ||
also the timeframe | |||
Ralph: | Ralph: | ||
this workshop at the end of February seems like a good place to start | - this workshop at the end of February seems like a good place to start | ||
supposedly EU expects to enforcing interoperability by 2025 | - supposedly EU expects to enforcing interoperability by 2025 | ||
topic: IETF MIMI WG | topic: IETF MIMI WG | ||
definitely a reaction to the DMA | - definitely a reaction to the DMA | ||
but framed in a more neutral manner | - but framed in a more neutral manner | ||
the gatekeepers might never adopt it | - the gatekeepers might never adopt it | ||
and they're not involved in the WG | - and they're not involved in the WG | ||
it's not necessarily the case that MIMI will 100% succeed or 100% fail | - it's not necessarily the case that MIMI will 100% succeed or 100% fail | ||
three layers: | - three layers: | ||
- transport | - transport | ||
- encryption | - encryption | ||
- content | - content | ||
a document about XMPP as transport layer could help in the MIMI effort | - a document about XMPP as transport layer could help in the MIMI effort | ||
one challenge is e2e encryption | - one challenge is e2e encryption | ||
if we have an MLS profile in XMPP, would that solve the problem? | - if we have an MLS profile in XMPP, would that solve the problem? | ||
not really, because there are MLS parameters and they differ across systems | - not really, because there are MLS parameters and they differ across systems | ||
XMPP MLS profile would help | - XMPP MLS profile would help | ||
content layer is all being designed from scratch | - content layer is all being designed from scratch | ||
what is the delta between what we have and what the requirements are? | - what is the delta between what we have and what the requirements are? | ||
topic: why XMPP is a protocol of choice | topic: why XMPP is a protocol of choice | ||
we can do a better job of this | - we can do a better job of this | ||
perhaps an initiative | - perhaps an initiative to create this | ||
topic: workshop panel about interoperability and security | topic: workshop panel about interoperability and security | ||
representatives from Cisco, META, Mozilla, etc. | - representatives from Cisco, META, Mozilla, etc. | ||
AI: Peter to reach out to likely attendees | - AI: Peter to reach out to likely attendees | ||
topic: a few thoughts on plans | topic: a few thoughts on plans | ||
transport (and perhaps encryption and content) draft for MIMI | - transport (and perhaps encryption and content) draft for MIMI | ||
MLS profile for XMPP (there's already activity here by people Matthew mentions) | - MLS profile for XMPP (there's already activity here by people Matthew mentions) | ||
roadmap for EU interop | - roadmap for EU interop | ||
topic: engagement with XMPP vendors | topic: engagement with XMPP vendors | ||
XSF should be more active here | - XSF should be more active here | ||
Revision as of 18:12, 16 February 2023
Coordinates
- Date: Thursday, 2023-02-16
- Time: 17:00-17:30 UTC
- Video conference at https://meet.jit.si/XSF-Board-2023-02-16 (no account needed, simply visit that URL)
Agenda
Follow-up:
- Try to talk to the Matrix project to see how we can have true federation (with or without MIMI).
- Participate in MIMI.
- Making work on MLS on XMPP a priority.
(+1 on each point by Eddie)
Invitation to Podcast in H2 (~Sept)
- I think we should join with at least two of us + discuss a communication line
- Do we need confirmation by board?
- Anyone from Board beaides me can attend?
Daniel G. proposal
- Eddie: Well, if we ramp up sponsoring anyway, then still lets go for it if they subscribe. Basically +1 to not miss this chance
FOSSY conference in Portland this summer
~Edward applies for direct access to the twitter account~
Call to Order / Quorum
Returning Business
New Business
AOB
Date of Next Meeting
- Edward wants to take over organization here
Minutes
board members: Matthew, Peter, Ralph
regrets: Edward
other folks: Daniel Gultsch
(Ralph summarizes)... - follow up on FOSDEM conversations (e.g., with Stuart) - opportunity to play a role on interoperability - EU legislation on the way - we haven't been at the table to participate in these discussions - upcoming interoperability workshop in Brussels - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/dma/dma-workshops/interoperability-workshop_en - https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-02/20230227_dma_interoperability_workshop_agenda.pdf - Ralph will attend (only one representative per organization) - it should be relatively easy for us to raise funds to work on this - if we formulate a good plan - might be a challenge if that money flows through the XSF - best could be if XSF functions as a fiscal host
Matthew: - we need to figure out what we want to achieve - this first workshop could be a good way to test the waters - agree that we don't want to become a large organization with much money - the fiscal hosting could be a good framework
Peter: - yes, putting together a plan is the first step - let's figure out the opportunities and what resources are needed (also the timeframe)
Ralph: - this workshop at the end of February seems like a good place to start - supposedly EU expects to enforcing interoperability by 2025
topic: IETF MIMI WG - definitely a reaction to the DMA - but framed in a more neutral manner - the gatekeepers might never adopt it - and they're not involved in the WG - it's not necessarily the case that MIMI will 100% succeed or 100% fail - three layers:
- transport - encryption - content
- a document about XMPP as transport layer could help in the MIMI effort - one challenge is e2e encryption - if we have an MLS profile in XMPP, would that solve the problem? - not really, because there are MLS parameters and they differ across systems - XMPP MLS profile would help - content layer is all being designed from scratch - what is the delta between what we have and what the requirements are?
topic: why XMPP is a protocol of choice - we can do a better job of this - perhaps an initiative to create this
topic: workshop panel about interoperability and security - representatives from Cisco, META, Mozilla, etc. - AI: Peter to reach out to likely attendees
topic: a few thoughts on plans - transport (and perhaps encryption and content) draft for MIMI - MLS profile for XMPP (there's already activity here by people Matthew mentions) - roadmap for EU interop
topic: engagement with XMPP vendors - XSF should be more active here